Curse

Skyy High · Jan 22, 2007, 06:23 AM // 06:23

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Um...i dont know about that....I would think people would buy a Van Gogh not because its rare, but because its by Van Gogh. Van Gogh was awesome :P

It wouldnt matter how many Van Goghs there were, its a Van Gogh and thats enough to give it a high value.

Bull, the price is high because people say an original Van Gogh should be expensive, and copies shouldn't. Even if you made a copy of a Van Gogh that was 100% the same, it'd still be worth much less than an original. Same thing with inscribable crystallines vs non inscribable; 15^50 non inscribable ones are seen as "the best", every 15^50 inscribable one will be seen as much less valuable.

This does two things:
1) People who have ~200-500k to spend can now get a crystalline, but it won't really be seen as anything special. Shoot for the moon, only to discover that everyone else is already there. Note that this does nothing for the casual player, who should not be involved in this conversation at all. If you don't have at least 200k in the bank right now, you shouldn't be involved in this conversation at all, unless you just like to laugh at the well off players' games being altered.

2) ALL non inscribable crystallines with even a semi decent damage mod in existence have now become limited edition. 15^50, 15/-5, 15/-10, 15 stance/enchant uninscribable crystallines have now become as damn close to priceless as you could ever get in this game; think about the HoD sword after the crafter was removed. Limited supply + can't get any more = immensely expensive, and it there were plenty of those in circulation. I'm willing to bet there are far fewer perfect crystallines, and their prices were already crazy high. Therefore, I think it's justified to say that they will become extraordinarily expensive.

Because of point 2, it's good to highlight, people who already have crystallines should be happy, or at least okay with this change. ANet just made you rich =P. Everyone who was aspiring to buy a crystalline at some point for the sheer prestige...well, now you either have a higher goal (old uninscribable) or a lower goal (new inscribable) with a decidedly big gap in between.

korcan · Jan 22, 2007, 06:29 AM // 06:29

it seems that anet has decided to make celestial weapons inscribable as well. hope to see an inscribable guardian of the hunt soon

Skyy High · Jan 22, 2007, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Wait, you didn't get that in Nahpui did you? I didn't know celestials dropped in HoH.

Yawgmoth · Jan 22, 2007, 06:43 AM // 06:43

This is another move in the bad direction of removing rarity from the game. It happens since the beginning and its only worse and worse. So the next step is probably a perfect green Crystalline available from a boss right outside an outpost...
For me inscriptions for gold (rare) items were always a nonsense because they completely removed the 'rareness' of them - how can anything feel rare when it can be made out of relatively cheap and common components?
Like someone above mentioned: There would be absolutely no point of collecting stamps if anyone could just go and easily buy the rarest of them. Or print them yourself at home, lol.

Lichtenberg · Jan 22, 2007, 06:58 AM // 06:58

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Originally Posted by Skyy High

Wait, you didn't get that in Nahpui did you? I didn't know celestials dropped in HoH.

i think this was the "updated" HoH chest drop

all weapons drop inscribable
drops include items from all 3 chapters

Orinn · Jan 22, 2007, 07:35 AM // 07:35

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Originally Posted by Oofus

My oppinion as a collector:

Rare skin = moderately expensive
Rare skin with good INHERENT damage mod = very expensive and highly wanted
Rare skin with good INHERENT damage mod and low req = extremely expensive and even more wanted
Rare skin with inscription slot = lame and not bought buy collectors, and unlike non-inscribable rare skins will drop in value to next to nothing very quickly when their novelty wears off becasue ALL of them are perfect.

ANet please stop taking away from the collectors, "casual gamers" allready have everything they could possibly need.

/waits for ANet to "fix" wands next

By the way when do I get my free rank 12 for sitting on my but doing nothing?

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Sounds about right. Since inscribable Crystallines drop now, the old, non-inscribable ones with a good inherent mod will be the new status symbol.

Seems to me that the actual look or functionality of the item really has nothign to do with the price, it's perceived rarity. Since inscribable ones are being dropped, and can be moded to suit, the non-inscribable ones will be the ones the players with millions of gold and nothing to spend it on will trade in.

Honestly, to me, it seems as though the "high-end" traders live in their own world, where perception of value is so out of whack with real value, that it has just ballooned uncontrollably. Whatever. If people like to think that one sword is really worth 15 million gold, and they find someone who agrees with them, then more power to them, but for most players, the "high-end" game is just that: another game, and one that has some silly rules at that.

I don't see inscribable Crystallines doing anything but driving up the price of the non-inscribable ones with perfect mods. Even if every crystalline that drops in HoH is inscribable, how many are going to be Req 8? Req 9? Those will sell for more (If the HoH swords don't follow the current Nightfall model of NOT dropping max damage Req 8 weapons, that is.)

Making Crystallines more accessible, though? I don't think there was a real need for it, myself. Let the high end traders shift mountains of money back and forth for something special. I really hope that the drop rate for Crystallines with low req doesn't go up any, just to keep people from complaining about how the economy sucks because nothing is worth tens of millions of gold anymore.

jackie · Jan 22, 2007, 08:13 AM // 08:13

I've wondered why AN doesn't change Prophecies & Faction items to inscribable. There's no motive not to since HoH chest has been changed as well and majority would propably be happy about it.

I'm a collector of rares as well and I don't like it how AN caters this game so much for casual gamers when it comes to obtaining gold weapons. But, since we're going with the majority, guess I'll just have to deal with it.

Situation before inscriptions (before NF, not just HoH chest):

Majority quite happy, some complaining why item price can be over 100k (few threads back in Factions time iirc), but there was already greens and if ppl needed money, it was easy to farm.
Minority quite happy, prices were going down with mods & fow/uw skins but that was just because there was more and more of them around.

After inscription system was introduced:
Majority, very happy & now they can get their fav. skins with whatever mods they like.
Minority, a_a

Bottom line is that majority would have propably managed without this update as well. Or do majority really care if for example crystalline is inscribable?

Drop of Fear · Jan 22, 2007, 08:38 AM // 08:38

ye i say turn every new drop both in pve and pvp to be inscriptable, the damage is done so push it.
rare skinned oldschool items will just improve their value for 2 reasons

- collector will still consider them more valuable then "cheap inscriptable crap"
- if drops work like in nightfall, we wont see req8 inscriptable cryst, dwarven, serpents, meaning that the dew req8 15^50 that dropped these 2 years will become a legend, as it's sure that no more like those will drop ever.

reetkever · Jan 22, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

Wooo another good thing in GW nerfed to death gg

.... yeah...

why the hell nerf crystalline swords? 'Casual players' shouldn't whine about wanting a non-casual gamer's weapon. Let's see what casual players have:

-Collector weapons
-15^50 weapons from the weaponsmiths in Droknar
-green weapons
-collector armor
-1K/1,5K armor
-Inscribable gold weapons

Wow... that's about everything a player needs to play the game and more.

What do non-casual players have:

-FoW armor

Oh wait, that's everything, since any 'rare' weapon can drop inscribable from HoH chest now. So, what's next? Collector in ascalon giving away FoW parts for 3 Gargoyle Skulls? Or removing all non-perfect mods cause everyone and his mother can get perfect stats on rare weapons now? (Seriously, I don't know anybody who still walks around with a 13^50 weapon, except heroes of course)

GG Anet, you're going to lose players with this for sure.

Alya · Jan 22, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Drop of Fear

- if drops work like in nightfall, we wont see req8 inscriptable cryst, dwarven, serpents, meaning that the dew req8 15^50 that dropped these 2 years will become a legend, as it's sure that no more like those will drop ever.

... unless Anet decides to change all the low req (7-8) items to min 9 in all the game, as it happened a couple times before with attributes on some older items.

TideSwayer · Jan 22, 2007, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by sickkk

i think this was the "updated" HoH chest drop

all weapons drop inscribable
drops include items from all 3 chapters

Oh great. What about us players that don't care a damn about PvP but want some of the older (read: non-inscribable unless HoH chest) skins with good mods without having to pay out the ass for perfect-stat ones?

ANet's answer? Go play PvP you bastards.
My answer? No thanks. Go to hell. My PvP is FPS games, thank you.

I want inscribable old skins (old common skins too) to drop in Chapter 1-2 PvE. For example, I like the Lotus Staves. I like Gothic Defenders. I would love to have an inscribable one. As someone who just likes to go out and kill things, I like these developments as maybe the first step in seeing this.

Another beef of mine are caster weapons and how each attribute for a class gets their own set of skins (for the most part). I wish all caster skins were made droppable with any caster attribute, so we could have some variety. A Death Magic Aureate Lamp? Hell, I'd be ALL over that instead of this bleached skull stuff that i'm getting sick of. Those cool Orrian Earth Staves? Let me get one of those in Communing, please.

And hell, please fix all collector items EVERYWHERE so they can be dyed. I hate how some collector items can be dyed and others can't. It's inconsistent, and frankly, it sucks. I wouldn't mind having to re-craft some stuff if I knew the new ones would be dyable.

The Herbalizer · Jan 22, 2007, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by TideSwayer

Oh great. What about us players that don't care a damn about PvP but want some of the older (read: non-inscribable unless HoH chest) skins with good mods without having to pay out the ass for perfect-stat ones?

ANet's answer? Go play PvP you bastards.
My answer? No thanks. Go to hell. My PvP is FPS games, thank you.

I want inscribable old skins (old common skins too) to drop in Chapter 1-2 PvE. For example, I like the Lotus Staves. I like Gothic Defenders. I would love to have an inscribable one. As someone who just likes to go out and kill things, I like these developments as maybe the first step in seeing this.

Another beef of mine are caster weapons and how each attribute for a class gets their own set of skins (for the most part). I wish all caster skins were made droppable with any caster attribute, so we could have some variety. A Death Magic Aureate Lamp? Hell, I'd be ALL over that instead of this bleached skull stuff that i'm getting sick of. Those cool Orrian Earth Staves? Let me get one of those in Communing, please.

And hell, please fix all collector items EVERYWHERE so they can be dyed. I hate how some collector items can be dyed and others can't. It's inconsistent, and frankly, it sucks. I wouldn't mind having to re-craft some stuff if I knew the new ones would be dyable.

You dont need perfect stat items in pve. 14>50 etc all offer virtually the same amount of damage bar like .20 or something stupid. A purple 14>50 crystalline sword is like 100k +30-40 ectos (I think) which is really a tiny amount and totally affordable considering it is the rarest skinned sword in the game. Kinda beats the 2 million they used to sell for....

High req items are usable in pve along with 1% off perfect inherent damage modification weapons. Crystalline sword, dwarven axes and serpent axes with similar stats are actually quite cheap and affordable.

If you cant save 500k or whatever for an item then there is something wrong. Back when I used to actually play Guild Wars properly 500k in 5 days playing 3 hours a day was average for me.

The inscriptable Crystalline swords will most probably be more expensive than the above mentioned so more grind would be needed... Kinda makes me lol when people say they dont want to grind yet look forward to buying inscriptable Crystalline swords. Especially considering they wont be within the reach of most of the Guild Wars community.

grottoftl · Jan 22, 2007, 11:39 AM // 11:39

I really don't get some of the people here. how can a change in one item be the end of guild wars? how can one item be the most important thing or the life of guild wars? it looks like you people are just overreacting. even when its now inscribable isn't it still rare? low droprate and most likely having a chance to get them in the chest if you HA. I bet not a lot of casual players even PvP. I bet your precious crystallines will still be in the high millions price. you still have to grind your ass trying to get them.

quit overreacting its not the end of the world or guild wars for that matter.

GourangaPizza · Jan 22, 2007, 12:09 PM // 12:09

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Originally Posted by The Herbalizer

If you cant save 500k or whatever for an item then there is something wrong. Back when I used to actually play Guild Wars properly 500k in 5 days playing 3 hours a day was average for me.

What you do? Playing 'properly' at FoW or UW? It will be alright to say if you are able to accumulate 150k-200k just by doing quests and missions etc... without farming. However to reach 500k within 5 days, 3 hours of play per day without farming would be too far-fetched.

garethporlest18 · Jan 22, 2007, 12:16 PM // 12:16

I think Herb power traded. Boring, time consuming and boring, but it makes a lot of money fast.

I actually like this, because I don't give two smokes about rarity and just like certain skins. A Crystalline in Gold Writing is the skin I want. That gold writing makes me feel good for some reason. Same with the Gothic Sword and some shields. But those are impossible for me to get at the moment because they are so expensive and I will not PvP for something that should be in PvE. And it will soon enough.

So I say more power to you Anet, seeing as I make most of my cash at the merchant now anyways. But make sure you make everything PvE available and hell while we're at it make it all inscribable too. But don't make it easy to get

. Like Elemental Swords or the like.

RTSFirebat · Jan 22, 2007, 12:33 PM // 12:33

Does this really bother anyone besides people who had perfect Crystaline swords before.

I mean does anyone really care they are inscribable now?

jackie · Jan 22, 2007, 01:42 PM // 13:42

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Originally Posted by grottoftl

I really don't get some of the people here. how can a change in one item be the end of guild wars? how can one item be the most important thing or the life of guild wars? it looks like you people are just overreacting. even when its now inscribable isn't it still rare? low droprate and most likely having a chance to get them in the chest if you HA. I bet not a lot of casual players even PvP. I bet your precious crystallines will still be in the high millions price. you still have to grind your ass trying to get them.

quit overreacting its not the end of the world or guild wars for that matter.

You say that if some of us have different opinion about inscriptions & don't like everything that is changing in this game, we are overreacting?

Even that it's only a minority of players that dislikes inscriptions, there's no need to flame us right away. Healthy debate and sharing opinions is the very essence of forums.

But what comes to the point if anyone really care anymore, dunno really, I'm personally adapted the fact that GW items aren't meant to be so hard to get and AN tryies to make this game more for the casual gamers. There are other games out there that concentrates more on collecting rare items and whatnot.

KamikazeChicken · Jan 22, 2007, 01:43 PM // 13:43

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Originally Posted by Oofus

^ if you don't get it by now then you never will. I'm done.

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You truly are an idiot. Just because there are inscribable versions doesn't devalue the "collector worthy" items you seek. Many people are speculating it'll actually drive up the price of the original swords, so you can grind EVEN MORE to get your collector weapon!

That alone should be making EVERYONE complaining in this thread happy. >.>

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Originally Posted by RTSFirebat

Does this really bother anyone besides people who had perfect Crystaline swords before.

I mean does anyone really care they are inscribable now?

I have a 15>50 r9, and I don't care. I honestly don't know why people create drama like this over nothing, but it's fun as hell to read when you're waiting around for breakfast. ^_^

fatmouse · Jan 22, 2007, 01:52 PM // 13:52

If people really want to 'earn' it, why don't you try and win one yourself?

SotiCoto · Jan 22, 2007, 02:24 PM // 14:24

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Originally Posted by garethporlest18

Celestial's aren't that rare, no. You can find the majority of them in Nahpui Quarter mission in the chests there, and they drop occasionally. The inscribable one you see there, comes from the Hall of Hero's chest which is accessed by winning HoH..in Hero's Ascent.

I hear about that a lot.... but I don't know what it is.
To be honest I don't pay much attention to it because it sounds like the sort of thing that people with very well-structured guilds with refined group-tactics do (people who enjoy a challenge)..... rather than my sort of person.

I take pride in being a Ronin... in not belonging to any particular guild.... getting invited to join some well-off Guild or other from time to time, adding a few of the better members to my friends list, then leaving the guild and moving on.
As such.... its like I'm forming my own unofficial guild from my friends list... accumulating decent people who can call on me if they need assistance and vice versa.

But that kinda thing isn't really suitable for the special "elite" areas....

I remember when someone took me down to The Deep just because I hadn't even heard of it before.... and I tried exploring in there and got massacred instantly.... Not fun.... but then I couldn't get a party and HAD tried going in there with my heroes... >_<;; ... Too much hassle. Doesn't help me get Grandmaster Cartographer titles either.